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Geoffrey Deihl's avatar

I appreciate your comment. Yes, humans existed before agriculture in extremely small numbers as hunter-gatherers. As I recall, the estimates were very low, population in the tens of thousands. Agriculture did indeed create the circumstances for civilization, as well as the need for governance and standing armies. Overshoot has been in part fueled by unsustainable agricultural practices from fertilizer derived from fossil fuels and a soil crisis from poor practices. I would still stand by the idea we rose with agriculture, without it, we would have just been another minor species on the planet — but I do get your point. You are correct, we can't know for certain if we will become extinct, but we're flirting with the possibility. What's more worrisome to me is the pain and violence our contraction guarantees. Thanks, Patrick.

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Pam's avatar

A great analogy: Biden is.."a standard Republican, but now most Republicans are far-right Christian fascists." I appreciate you and your help to untangle this systemic state of affairs with lessons we have not learned.

Thank you for your thoughts, agreeably insane.

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